MISC GHO~2012

PattiO · **Posted:** Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:58 am

I think I just heard a train go by as well. Where is this nest?? She makes some really funny faces! :)

kittenface · **Posted:** Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:09 am

Sad news for Rusty & Iris I guess Karla is going to remove the eggs they saw the second egg on the 25th of Jan. and I looked at a couple information on google and it said appr. a month to hatch so :cryinggirl:

PattiO · **Posted:** Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:34 am

Why do they have to remove the eggs? What happened to Rusty & Iris?? :valscratch:

kittenface · **Posted:** Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:55 pm

PattiO wrote:

Why do they have to remove the eggs? What happened to Rusty & Iris?? :valscratch:

Patti Nothing happened to R & I the eggs just aren't fertile these 2 would have been the best of parents just like snow & Dan.
They really deserve to be parents they are great together and when those eggs showed up this yr. boy was there a lot of happy viewers, some are saying its because they are in captivity I just don't know

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 61947

well, I certainly hope they will consider letting them foster an owlet if they get one in!!!

kittenface · **Posted:** Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:58 pm

skygirl blue wrote:

well, I certainly hope they will consider letting them foster an owlet if they get one in!!!

I'm sure if Karla had any or had a chance she would I read that Alice has fostered before, now there is a character she lives in the house with them she was on a egg but they knew there was nothing to it

kittenface · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:49 am

Well I just looked in on Rusty & Iris and found that they removed the eggs 3/4 and found that they died just a few days before hatching thats all that is there for now but I'll keep you updated if I find out anything else :tissue:

kittenface · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:51 am

I saw at least one egg at each of these nests :hapdance:

kittenface · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:49 pm

There is an update on Rusty & Iris's eggs there is also a picture but I don't think
I'll post it if you want to see it it is on the blog

Removing the Egg
With Rusty and Iris' eggs more than a week overdue for hatching, I decided to remove the eggs to see if we could figure out what had gone wrong. I had originally planned to remove the eggs Monday morning after the International Festival of Owls. But as things worked out, we wound up having our special guests over to our home on Sunday evening, and it seemed too great an opportunity to miss to have Prof. Dr. Michael Wink and Denver Holt present to help evaluate the eggs. (And to have Tracy Eccles, Pot Plant Owl human, present to witness the event.)

After a fun-filled meal of pizza, beer, wine and lots of laughter, it was time to get down to business. First I prepared the two gophers for Rusty, Iris, and Alice by cutting them open to remove the liver, stomach, intestines, and bladder, which they don't eat. I put on my headlamp, went outside to throw out the guts, then took key and food out to feed Rusty and Iris. I removed the uneaten food, cleaned the food tray, and deposited their fresh supper.

Then I walked around the side of the cage to the ladder that leads up to the peek hole behind Iris' nest. Thankfully Iris flushed off the eggs when I was at the bottom of the ladder. I quickly climbed, unlocked the padlock, grabbed one warm egg and tucked it in one pocket, then grabbed the other warm egg and tucked it into my other jacket pocket. I shut the door, locked the padlock, and hurried back inside.

I handed an egg to Denver and he commented that it wasn't as warm a he would have expected. I thought they cooled off quickly too.

I tried candling my egg by putting the egg on the end of a vertical toilet paper tube over a flashlight in the dark bathroom. I couldn't see a thing in the egg. I tried the other egg--nothing. Then someone pointed out that I wouldn't see anything if the chicks had developed. Duh!

Next I weighed the eggs and someone recorded the weights. Egg #1 was 56.3g and egg #2 was 59.4g (Alice's was 59.3g).

Denver got to be the one to do the dirty work. Over a paper plate he carefully tapped the egg with a knife around the middle, just like cracking a hard boiled egg. Then he gently pulled it open.

Inside was a perfectly developed Great Horned Owl chick, complete with fat little toes and an egg tooth. It still had a yolk sac. It wasn't alive, but it wasn't smelly or decomposed either. With this knowledge I heaved a sigh of relief--Rusty wasn't shooting blanks!

Egg number two revealed the same, but had a runny pink fluid in with it also.
We removed the yolk sacs, rinsed and weighed the chicks, and put them in jars of alcohol to preserve them. The yolk sacs and egg shells were put into plastic baggies in the freezer in case they would be needed for further analysis.

We may never figure out what happened to the chicks, but it is probably significant that both didn't hatch. My suspicion is that they got jostled a few too many times when Iris bolted out of the nest as critters climbed on the cage, since shaking eggs is a method used to prevent them from hatching in some instances.

Iris checked the nest a few times and Rusty checked it a LOT of times. He eventually dug it all up. By the next day they were roosting in the sunshine in the flight cage not just side by side, but smooshed up against each other. Copulations have picked up also, so there is a small chance they will lay more eggs this year.

This isn't necessarily all bad. Now we will be able to clean the cage out, install the IR illuminators, add more nesting material, fix some holes, and do more predator proofing. Then if they lay eggs again, things should not only go better, but we should be able to see better.

Let's all hope for more eggs this year!

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 61947

At least one hatch for Mrs. Harvey!!

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 61947

Thanks for the report, KF. . she certainly has a very positive attitude about it all. . frankly, it bummed me out. . poor little things. . to be so developed only to not hatch. . :girlsad3:

kittenface · **Posted:** Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:47 pm

There was so much happening a couple nights in a row but the night I watch for a long time there was a raccoon there and it had Iris all over the eggs and that would have been just about then also there was the cat outside a couple nights and a squirrel that got inside, so many things so heres hoping that they lay again

kittenface · **Posted:** Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:42 pm

Rusty & Iris update
Thursday, March 08, 2012
In a way it was a good thing that Rusty and Iris' first batch of eggs didn't hatch. This way we have time to make a gazillion updates to the cages that we've been waiting to do. Yesterday was the day we worked on the breeding cage.

We patched squirrel holes and other gaps on the north side of the cage near the nest, two above the rain roof, and one on the wall near the bath pan. Hein put steel siding on the ladder leading up to the nest hatch door to prevent climbing critters from getting up there. I added lots of nesting material to the nest so Rusty can't dig all the way down to China.

Hein installed a dome illuminator near the nest and I removed the hot box from the food tray table. Since it's kind of warm now, I also put in and filled the bath pan. While we were in there I also picked up all the gopher remains, pellets and poop. Whew, it feels good to have all that done!!!!

We watched anxiously for the infrared illuminator to kick in to see what it would look like. It's marvelous...just like someone put in a light bulb near the nest! We were also happy to see that Rusty enthusiastically jumped into his role digging in the nest to prepare a new nest bowl.

While in the cage I noticed some chewed walnuts inside the walls near the bath pan. I assume the squirrels that were in the cage weeks ago did this and have since left them. But that night I got an answer to the question of what the heck is digging and chewing so loudly on that side of the cage: MICE! The mice are running in and around the walnut shells, rattling them as the move around. And they didn't stay put over there either...they had to check out the new nesting material in the nest. Of course Rusty and Iris ignored them.

It seems we're on the road to renesting. On Monday I counted all of Rusty and Iris' copulations, for a total of 16! I don't think they're keeping up that pace every day (I'm not counting), but Rusty sure seems intent on making more fertile eggs yet this year.

PattiO · **Posted:** Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:44 am

Kitten ... thank you so much for all the info. on Rusty and Iris. Sad ... but very interesting!

aurora171989 · **Joined:** Sun May 02, 2010 1:57 pm **Posts:** 46

has anyone met Ms. Harvey? She's a great horned owl in winconsin with 3 owlets. There's a Mr. Harvey of course but you don't get to see him much.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ms-harvey ... horned-owl

chick no. one 10-11 days old, no. 2 8-9 days old and three 5-6 days old. as of today that is

catwoman · **Posted:** Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:38 pm

aurora171989 wrote:

has anyone met Ms. Harvey? She's a great horned owl in winconsin with 3 owlets. There's a Mr. Harvey of course but you don't get to see him much.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ms-harvey ... horned-owl

chick no. one 10-11 days old, no. 2 8-9 days old and three 5-6 days old. as of today that is

rysx · **Joined:** Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:28 am **Posts:** 450

I registered very recently at BCAW and found to my surprise that very little information was posted here about one of my favorite individual birds - Ms. Harvey, the Great Horned Owl. Here is some retrospective overview.

Ms. Harvey and her three owlets, March 22, 2012

Three chicks, April 03. 2012

Ms. Harvey guarding her offspring, April 09. 2012

Three "big" owlets, April 16. 2012

The following four pictures were taken by Patricia Fisher from the ground.

The last picture shows the oldest owlet on the ground after he/she jumped out of the nest.
More photographs of Ms. Harvey and her family, by Patricia Fisher, can be found here:

and here:

And the article about banding of the owlets is here:

By now all the owlets left the nest, although they don't fly yet (probably).
In the future they may visit the nest occasionally.
Anyway, see you next year Ms. Harvey and good luck!

SusanE · **Posted:** Tue May 01, 2012 4:47 pm

What cute pictures, rysx. :girlluv:

And WELCOME TO BCAW!

PattiO · **Posted:** Wed May 09, 2012 12:47 am

Beautiful pictures of Mrs. Harvey and chicks!! :)

I forgot all about this nest ... seems like ages ago!!! She was sitting on eggs way back! There's 3 owlets ... but holy cow look at how big the oldest one is compared to the other 2!!!

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