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 Post subject: Re: MISC OTHER OWLS~2011 & 2012
PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:05 pm 
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I think they're right on schedule ... 35 days for egg #1 was on Sunday ... so we should have a hatch anytime now!! :girlyes:


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I think they're right on schedule ... 35 days for egg #1 was on Sunday ... so we should have a hatch anytime now!! :girlyes:

Thats what I thought but I didn't want to say anything just in case I was wrong :suncrazy:

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PattiO wrote:
I think they're right on schedule ... 35 days for egg #1 was on Sunday ... so we should have a hatch anytime now!! :girlyes:


Gosh. . I sure hope you're right Patti!!! I have incubation 32-34 days

I think we're at day 35 for egg #2 today. .When mom left this morning (6:30 pm PPO time) no pips showing on cam. .

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There looks like a suspicious spot on that top egg. . not sure what it is .. could be the same nest "dirt" I've been seeing for the past several days ..

Well, I'm not giving up yet. . :thumbup

Thanks for the video, Suzanne .. I just love to see Papa fly in!!!


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:41 am 
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I guess I was wrong. :girlsad3:
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11 Oct: We were woken up with lots of hooting from Pappa and PPO on the balcony in the early hours of this morning. They kicked up such a racket - I half expected to see a chick. But alas - nothing yet so it looks like this time round, the eggs are not viable. Perhaps they will nest again this season.


Poor Momma is sitting in the rain right now. :tissue:


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I watched her for a few minutes this morning. . it was really raining .. and now the cam is off line .. I'm not surprised. .rain/thunder/lightning, etc. . poor mom!!


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Sad start to their season... no baby PPO's .. :( I hope she doesn't sit for too long ... I'm seeing more lightening and thunder now.


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:tissue:

I wonder if they took the eggs now, if they could reclutch. ...I don't think so, but ya never know. .

Looks like the rain has stopped. Sun is up, but cam hasn't switched over yet and its still pretty far away. .


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 Post subject: Re: MISC OTHER OWLS~2011 & 2012
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The Latest Blog post from PPO:

    12 October and decision time

    When there is a difficult decision to make, I am the biggest procrastinator around. First I think about the situation, and then I think some more. My mind processes possible outcomes, and eventually comes up with one that, ultimately, will be the path that I will take. But instead of jumping right in with both feet and dealing with it, I take a step back and ignore the situation. Eventually something usually happens to spur me into action and I take that decisive step into the territory known as "crunch time".

    I reached that point this morning with what to do with my sweet Pot Plant Owl. It came to me as I sat at the window and watched the rain falling down on her already drenched feathers. Her false ear tufts almost lay flat on her head, and she looked smaller and more vulnerable faithfully protecting her eggs that, I am almost 100% sure, are not viable.

    I have to respect their privacy and give Pot Plant Owl and Pappa some space. Sooner or later, PPO will realise that sitting on her eggs will not make a difference to the outcome - the eggs are not hatching. Maybe she's already come to that conclusion but is also procrastinating or ignoring the facts.

    As strange as it may sound to many people, I believe that animals and birds pick up all our thoughts and feelings. And maybe, just maybe, Pot Plant Owl knows that her eggs are not viable but she wants to 'show us all' that she is still trying. I liken it to my dying grandmother hanging on for a few hours in order for her daughters to gather around her to say goodbye.

    Pot Plant Owl is not going anywhere, but she needs to be given the permission to 'let go' now. The best way I can do that for her is to give her her privacy.

    Regretably for you viewers, this means that if an egg doesn't hatch by Sun 14th October, we will switch the webcam off early next week. This will allow PPO to decide how she is going to handle the situation. We will obviously be here to keep an eye on her, but otherwise she won't be the focus of so many people's attention.

    Will she lay eggs again this season? I honestly can't say. This is a first for us so who knows. We will keep you informed.


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 Post subject: Re: MISC OTHER OWLS~2011 & 2012
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Oh she is such a wise woman and so compassionate I think she is doing the right thing sad as it is not to see our sweet owls anymore but I know if she does re clutch we all will be right there to watch once again.

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 Post subject: Re: MISC OTHER OWLS~2011 & 2012
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:46 am 
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Very wise indeed .... she's sparing us ... :(


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PPO updates. . .Tracy and Allan are really struggling with what to do!!

PPO continues to incubate. .

    17 October and the cam is off

    It's the end of this breeding season. It's strange to write 'breeding' season when no successful breeding occurred, but it is nonetheless, time to close the doors on the balcony nest for the time being.

    Right now, I am in the process of gathering as much material as I can from owl experts and such like, to see what may have gone wrong, and what we can expect going forward.

    Right now, we find ourselves in a Catch-22 situation.
    Do we leave the eggs with PPO until she decides to abandon them (we are now day 47 of what should be an approx 30-32 day cycle of incubation)?
    Or do we take the eggs away from her - they are clearly not viable - and allow her to get on with her life, and perhaps another breeding season?

    If we leave the eggs, who do we benefit - science or PPO? There is evidence to suggest that the longer she sits on the eggs, the more energy she is using. Pappa is also expending a lot of extra energy by hunting for her.

    If we take the eggs away, do we really benefit PPO, or do we just disrupt the natural cycle and possibly a recorded scientific observation? There is no doubt that where possible, one should never interfere with the natural order of things. Time and time again, Man has interfered with the view to 'saving or helping' something, and it has backfired - badly.

    Something to think about. We will keep asking the experts questions and see what they come up with.

    Will let you know.

    19 October and my mind churns

    One question that is playing over and over in my mind is:

    How would this situation be playing out if PPO had chosen a 'normal' Spotted Eagle Owl nest i.e. a scraping in the ground, or a fork in a tree?

    PPO would be closer to predators of all kinds if she was on the ground. Larger snakes would probably try to get the eggs. There may be animals such as dogs bothering her. In heavy rains, nests have been known to be washed away.

    So if PPO had chosen a 'normal' nest, would she still be sitting on the eggs? She must know that there is no life in the eggs and therefore nothing is going to happen.

    Is she staying longer on the eggs because of how safe her nesting area is - one storey up away from dogs and cats? No snakes have ever - touch wood - slid up the walls and onto the balcony before. We leave PPO alone so we are not a perceived threat to her at this stage.

    As much as PPO and Pappa are left to their own devices on our balcony, the balcony is still an unnatural nesting site for them. When weighing up the pros and cons of taking the eggs away versus letting her continue to sit, surely we need to look at the actual site too?

    Could this question suggest that the best thing to do at this point is to take the eggs away?


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 Post subject: Re: MISC OTHER OWLS~2011 & 2012
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I sure am glad we don't have to make that kind of decision

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Monday, October 22, 2012
22 October - PPO Update

It's been an interesting and difficult owl season this year. As it is in Nature, there are ups and downs that we can't control no matter how much we'd like to.

The decision for us to switch off the webcam proved to be the best one to make. We had the opportunity last night of removing the eggs from the nest and opening up the two eggs, and they were both infertile.

There are a myriad of possible reasons why the eggs were not viable this year:
Perhaps one, or both, of the owls are infertile.
Perhaps toxins in the environment have caused am imbalance that is affecting fertility.
Perhaps the copulation period was rushed and didn't 'get the job done'.
Perhaps it is Nature's way of curbing the owl population numbers which have been on the increase in our area.

The good news is that Pot Plant Owl and Pappa are still making visits to their nest. They were both on the balcony in the early hours of this morning hooting to each other. PPO sits on her telephone pole nearby and we watch her hunt.

We don't believe that the owls will abandon the balcony nesting site - at least we hope that they don't. But of course, we can't be sure as they are wild and will do what they feel is right for them.

As a tribute to our owl family, we are making a 2013 calendar that will be ready by Friday 26th October.



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I think they did the right thing. they may reclutch. It is not too late.

I know most are not in favor of interfering. and if there was not a cam , no one would know . but I always maintain, that if we are watching , then we should be helping. And I will never change my opinion on that.

I am sure the site is O.K. Are these the same pair of owl?

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Friday, December 7, 2012
:sum10: 8 Dec and we have chicks! :sum10:
We've got two little chicks sitting in the new pot plant nest with a very proud mom.

We've been out the past few evenings and every time we've returned home, we've found PPO sitting in the nest. Last night we came home and noticed that she was sitting more upright and stared at me when I tried to say hello.Pappa hooted on the rooftops for a long time last night and didn't fly too far away.

This morning, I opened the bedroom curtains, and there they were! Two little heads popping up from under their mom. We watched a few more minutes until feeding time...
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It's great news that Pot Plant Owl and Pappa have two owlets! They are a beautiful family.


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Sunday, December 9, 2012
9 Dec and the family are doing well

In typical PPO fashion, we were only allowed a brief glance at the chicks during the day. Pot Plant Owl manouvered her chicks to face away from the window, and spread out her wings in protection.

I believe that yesterday's sighting, with the opportunity of a few photographs, was PPO's way of saying "See - all is well now" but after that, protective mom gene kicks in again, and the chicks are covered up during the day.

At night we saw the two bundles of white fluff when PPO left the nest. Their eyes are closed and their tiny black beaks open and shut, waiting for food. At this stage, they are moving around like small snakes in the grass - wriggling around.

Pappa is very proud of his new family. He stood on the neighbour's roof and hooted his sentiments for a long period of time. PPO left the chicks alone for a few minutes, before returning to keep them warm.

In my sleep, I vaguely hear Pappa hooting once as he lands on the balcony railing with another meal for his family.

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Two very special owlets:

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...and they are live now
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Maybe someone of you can make this url a 'follow-me'-icon. I have no idea how to do that.

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