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 Post subject: Re: San Francisco Falcons: June-December, 2013
PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:37 pm 
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too late to reclutch,
Glad they are taking eggs

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 Post subject: Re: San Francisco Falcons: June-December, 2013
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For posterity--we probably won't be seeing much of Dan once the eggs are gone, although its not pleasant seeing him still incubating after all these months. :girlsad3:

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Of course, I missed it. I was feeding the dogs.... They retrieved the eggs at 8:50am.

Cher in the box

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 Post subject: Re: San Francisco Falcons: June-December, 2013
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I believe this was the final nest exchange from Dan to Cher at approx 6:30AM PT



Cher after collection:



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Video link captured by Jim (zooey91) of the egg collection:



ETA: at about the 6:41 mark in video, Glenn picks up something off the ledge. I think it may have been one of Lil's fertile eggs that disintigrated. Looks like it may have been a formed chick.


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That's sad for Cher & Dan. They now have to change gears & remember what they did before they life became constant incubation. They're probably out-of-shape physically, too, because of all the time they spent incubating. Well, that's what happens in the wild where there aren't people watching the nest.

Thanks for the information & videos, mwplay. (Wish they had a recording with sound so we knew what Glenn was saying.)

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I am not sure which bird this but they did a bit of scraping and looking at their feet.



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 Post subject: Re: San Francisco Falcons: June-December, 2013
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Carolyn wrote:
I am not sure which bird this but they did a bit of scraping and looking at their feet.



Not 100% positive, but I think this is Dan.


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 Post subject: Re: San Francisco Falcons: June-December, 2013
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What a bitter sweet day!!! I am so glad those eggs are gone. I am sure that Cher and Dan will be a little confused as to what happened to these "things" they have been protecting for so long. Now they can switch gears and, hopefully, enjoy the rest of the summer/fall. They can move on to renewing their bond, scraping around in the box, hanging out, etc.

I think the past few years have shown us that not all falcons listen to that internal incubation clock and must be hardwired to incubate no matter what. Look at Durand..how many times did she focus on those eggs instead of Zoom!! And I think they just removed the failed clutch in Japan (last week). They too were still incubating.

Well, it will be interesting to read Glenn's observations and to hear what they find regarding all of the eggs. I also thought it was interesting how he put each egg in its own container.

Thanks for posting the news and video, mwplay...and your video of Dan scraping later, Carolyn.


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 Post subject: Re: San Francisco Falcons: June-December, 2013
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Glenn's post on his blog:



San Francisco PG&E Nest, Summer 2013

I approached this nest with permission of the US Fish and Wildlife Service one week after Summer Solstice for the purpose of collecting addled eggs for contaminent analysis.

The photo above shows the status of the nest on June 28th 2013. Five eggs remained in the scrape. One intact egg lay beside the nest box. And a seventh egg was found broken on the ledge nearby.

This partly developed egg was probably removed from the scrape by a pair member after it popped.
The broken egg contained a mostly developed embryo that must have died during the period when Dan had the entire burden of incubation but left the scrape at least once per day to feed himself. It is the best evidence we have right now that Lil's eggs were viable but did not hatch because of incomplete incubation. It is likely that Cher's eggs were not fertile.

When we reached the balcony on the 33rd floor of the PG&E headquarters building at 77 Beale Street, Cher was incubating the clutch of five eggs. She got up, cacked at us, and then left the nest box but flew past the balcony repeatedly cacking and even perched several times on the ledge to voice her displeasure with our intrusion. Here is a picture of her jumping into flight when I aimed my iPhone at her to snap a photo. (I know, I should have brought Glenn Nevill along for better photos).

Disruption of the nest cycle by a new female was disconcerting for nest
camera viewers but is something we should prepare ourselves to see more of
in the coming years. It is evidence of a robust recovered peregrine falcon
population in the San Francisco Bay Area, and across California.
Non-breeding members of the peregrine falcon population, or "floaters," are
searching for nesting territories. Some are challenging territory owners,
as Cher did, for the opportunity to breed. While we become attached to
individual falcons, we need to remember that fitness to breed is
fundamental to the viability of species. Hard as it may have been to watch,
we witnessed first-hand the selection of the most fit breeders playing out
this year at PG&E. Last year, we saw it happen at San Jose City Hall when
Fernando replaced EC.

One final note... I have often repeated our belief that peregrines know how
long incubation should take and quit when that period expires. When the
Predatory Bird Research Group and others worked to recover the peregrine
falcon population, our work was rigorous. There was rigorous attention to
the husbandry of captive falcons and rigorous attention to the known
timelines of nesting chronology. We knew that incubation was a thirty-three
day period so we always returned to nests where we left dummy eggs (so that
we could hatch the real ones in our incubators) within the 33 day
incubation cycle to foster young. Nest cameras around the world are now
recording the long incubation times of peregrines that far exceed required
incubation periods. It turns out that we did not fully appreciate the
tenacity of the peregrine to defend its nest territory and to incubate eggs
that were long overdue.

These observations bring me once again to a sense of awe for a bird that
hurtles from the sky each day--at hundreds of miles per hour--to crash into
other birds in order to acquire a meal to eat... It is a bird that almost
succumbed to the effects of toxic chemicals that we added to the
environment just a half century ago. A humbling realization.


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 Post subject: Re: San Francisco Falcons: June-December, 2013
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My that was fast!!! I guess we now have confirmation of what we already suspected..Lil's eggs were fertile and Cher's were not.

Lets see..How can I put this. the fact that Lil's eggs were not retrieved (I suppose) is a testament to the success of recovery efforts. If the CA population were not robust, then I have to wonder if her precious eggs would have been immediately taken and incubation completed. Its such a shame that they were lost.

Well, it is what it is. I do think in some areas, we will be seeing more and more turnover. I am not looking forward to that!!

As always, I appreciate his view of things.


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Thanks for posting Glenn's findings, mwplay!

I find it interesting that nature let a falcon whose eggs turned out to be infertile replace a falcon whose eggs were fertile. I know, I know, the strongest one won, but it doesn't look good for the species. Of course, there is the info that Matrix posted in another topic that said that males can't fertilize eggs if he is already incubating some...
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 Post subject: Re: San Francisco Falcons: June-December, 2013
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Glenn posted this last week on the SJ & SF forum:

Bridge Falcons

I have continued to beat the drum on this issue (fledglings going into the bay while the feds fight with me over permits) and an AP reporter finally interviewed me this week. It looks like the Feds are sticking with their line--nature taking its course--in spite of the fact we are willing to do something about it. Watch for the story.

And thanks for the many kind words remembering Sophie. She will certainly be missed. --glenn@scpbrg


Haven't seen the story yet, but have been tied up on other stuff the last few weeks.


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mwplay wrote:
Glenn posted this last week on the SJ & SF forum:

Bridge Falcons

I have continued to beat the drum on this issue (fledglings going into the bay while the feds fight with me over permits) and an AP reporter finally interviewed me this week. It looks like the Feds are sticking with their line--nature taking its course--in spite of the fact we are willing to do something about it. Watch for the story.

And thanks for the many kind words remembering Sophie. She will certainly be missed. --glenn@scpbrg


Haven't seen the story yet, but have been tied up on other stuff the last few weeks.


Nature taking its course, huh? Did nature put the bridge there? :gaaaaah:

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 Post subject: Re: San Francisco Falcons: June-December, 2013
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:39 pm 
When will the delisting happen is California?? We have about a year and a half here in Ohio...

Nice the eggs were removed from a man made place....

To bad raccoons or possums or other critters cannot climb up to the nestbox to scavenge smelly dead eggs...here on the farm... and in the woods...the "clean up crew" would have come along many months ago..and relieved this pair of it's non-natural incubation period.

Off topic but is the Japan falcons still incubating their old eggs too??


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Hi Matrix...see my post above...

Japan finally removed the eggs..last week, I think..that pair was still incubating too..poor things..


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 Post subject: Re: San Francisco Falcons: June-December, 2013
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Matrix wrote:
When will the delisting happen is California?? We have about a year and a half here in Ohio...

Nice the eggs were removed from a man made place....

To bad raccoons or possums or other critters cannot climb up to the nestbox to scavenge smelly dead eggs...here on the farm... and in the woods...the "clean up crew" would have come along many months ago..and relieved this pair of it's non-natural incubation period.

Off topic but is the Japan falcons still incubating their old eggs too??


Matrix, based on what I could find online, they were delisted in California in 2009.



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 Post subject: Re: San Francisco Falcons: June-December, 2013
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I pulled up the cam tonight to see if anyone was on the ledge. I can't be sure, but I think maybe Cher is there.

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Here's a video of the Bay Bridge Light Show. And again, I want to think Cher is on the ledge against the wall and that I am seeing her feathers blow in the warm breeze...



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 Post subject: Re: San Francisco Falcons: June-December, 2013
PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:34 pm 
Thanks SGB!!! I read right over that in your prior post!! :-)

MWplay...That is exactly the document I was looking for! Awesome!! Thanks!!! :ohyes:


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