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 Post subject: Re: ROCHESTER, NY ~ 2013 Part 2, April-May
PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:34 pm 
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12:46 - B arrives on deck and she has prey. She proceeds to front beam and enjoys her food. DC shows up at corner. Chupping/Whining start. B goes to box. Very low bow/very fast chupping - not the normal courtship chups in my opinion. Her stance looks defensive to me. I've been thinking about this a lot the last few days. When DC comes into town, B races to the box, beating him almost every time. Yes, she's in there chupping and what not, but I'm wondering if it is more of a territorial display. This reminds me of when the 2 males (NB & Lil Dad) were about to fight on the ledge that day. Bev pointed out that the males bowing was because they were preparing to fight. Could B actually be sending threatening signals to DC and that is why he is not coming to the box with her? Just a thought...



I was on at the time that DC was on the ledge today. No way was Beauty being defensive, or DC, she craves for him to go into the nest with her. Yes, she zooms in there when DC arrives because she wants to Bond with him. Archer always went in with her when he showed up, even after leaving Unity. DC rarely goes in with her, you all know this is NOT normal behavior for a bonded pair. I don't see these 2 as a pair, just a convenience. DC thinks it's his territory and Beauty happens to be a part of it. He just couldn't drive her out. Can't beat em, join em. They were more of a pair last year, DC was in with her more then. Right now, all that is on their mind is mating and babies. They may grow on each other over the next few years, who knows.
Do you notice when DC arrives, Beauty is already in the nest bowing? She wails and waits for him then steps out and looks up. He never responds. If anyone knows their behavior, it's MAK, she sees it every day. When Beauty lays that 1st egg, I'm sure we will see more of DC. I actually like him, how can you not? But gee, his bonding with Pigott is much different then with Beauty. :hmmmm


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 Post subject: Re: ROCHESTER, NY ~ 2013 Part 2, April-May
PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:32 am 
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12:46 - B arrives on deck and she has prey. She proceeds to front beam and enjoys her food. DC shows up at corner. Chupping/Whining start. B goes to box. Very low bow/very fast chupping - not the normal courtship chups in my opinion. Her stance looks defensive to me. I've been thinking about this a lot the last few days. When DC comes into town, B races to the box, beating him almost every time. Yes, she's in there chupping and what not, but I'm wondering if it is more of a territorial display. This reminds me of when the 2 males (NB & Lil Dad) were about to fight on the ledge that day. Bev pointed out that the males bowing was because they were preparing to fight. Could B actually be sending threatening signals to DC and that is why he is not coming to the box with her? Just a thought...


I was on at the time that DC was on the ledge today. No way was Beauty being defensive, or DC, she craves for him to go into the nest with her. Yes, she zooms in there when DC arrives because she wants to Bond with him. Archer always went in with her when he showed up, even after leaving Unity. DC rarely goes in with her, you all know this is NOT normal behavior for a bonded pair. I don't see these 2 as a pair, just a convenience. DC thinks it's his territory and Beauty happens to be a part of it. He just couldn't drive her out. Can't beat em, join em. They were more of a pair last year, DC was in with her more then. Right now, all that is on their mind is mating and babies. They may grow on each other over the next few years, who knows.
Do you notice when DC arrives, Beauty is already in the nest bowing? She wails and waits for him then steps out and looks up. He never responds. If anyone knows their behavior, it's MAK, she sees it every day. When Beauty lays that 1st egg, I'm sure we will see more of DC. I actually like him, how can you not? But gee, his bonding with Pigott is much different then with Beauty. :hmmmm


I agree his bonding is very different with Pigott as was evident when Pigott entered the box. The way he called for Pigott that day, was completely different than what I have observed when he calls for Beauty. There was a different level of excitement to his call and his voice.

Yes, I have been watching and see how Beauty is already in the nest, bowing, wailing, whining. Occasionally, I hear him responding, but you are correct, not often.

If we think about learned behavior (nurture), how often is it that Beauty beats DC to the box? From what I've watched, she has beat him there every time. She did this when he first arrived back and he was swooping on her, and has continued now that they are mating. Could this be some signal that we are not picking up on. I think about this with dogs... Dogs have signals they send each other that we humans completely miss. They have their own language. Obviously falcons have their own too, but could we think we are seeing one thing and actually it is something completely different?

And Donna, maybe you are right, they ARE NOT a pair. Just both doing what they need to do to keep their territory. Maybe I need to accept that realization, that there is no bond with these two. There is no trust and both are just trying to survive.

I wonder why Rochester is a location where the new tiercel and prior tiercel have both mated/bonded with two falcons. I wonder if going forward if this will now be the norm if ever one of the 3 is displaced?


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 Post subject: Re: ROCHESTER, NY ~ 2013 Part 2, April-May
PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:55 am 
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MAK wrote:
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Beauty inside nest box and DC outside.

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I do not believe that Beauty is being defensive-she wants DC to bow with her in the box. Pigott goes to their scrape first and yet he goes in and bows and echups with her. When Beauty goes to her box he goes to a wing or Mercury or any place but the nest box. It is said that they are incapable of showing preference for a mate but for whatever reason DC is displaying a preference. I see it and anyone who follows our story in Rochester can see it too. It really doesn't matter what any of us thinks-these birds have their own thing going on and as long as nobody gets hurt I'm down with it. I believe Beauty will lay eggs when she is ready. In the meantime we can all get worked up over it but the outcome will be of the falcons makings.

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From what I've seen this year, I think we may be learning these birds can show a preference for a mate. And maybe it's not a preference, but a sense of picking a mate that will produce offspring that have the best chance of survival.

I think about De Mortel - when 2OR showed back up, it appeared Pa immediately started bonding with her, even though VV was still on scene. As soon as the falcons worked out who was going to be the remaining female, Pa went along.

I think it is obvious with the recovery and more birds in the environment, we are seeing behaviors that have never been witnessed. And as I mentioned in my post to Donna, there are signals we are not seeing. I agree, I just hope they all remain safe.

Thanks for responding MAK. I appreciate your input and observations as you are out there every day and see things we cannot see when only watching the cam.


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 Post subject: Re: ROCHESTER, NY ~ 2013 Part 2, April-May
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Agreed Carly, poor Pigott has it rough over there and may need help. Sure we watch, make our own judgments . Who knows, maybe DC is afraid of Beauty. Maybe they both just don't trust one another after all that has happened, although the mating thing baffles me, friends with bennies maybe?? Pigott may surprise us all by being an excellent mom and if needed will feed her babies accordingly. She's a great hunter, seems to always have food. I just don't like where they chose for a nest site, looks dangerous. We all get a bit hyper during these times, as you well know and that is our instinct just as DC and Beauty have their own. Every day is a new day and I guess I should be glad DC stops by when he does! Maybe Pigott does have eggs like MAK said and that is the reason for his absence lately. He does seem to check the nest when he goes DT. "No eggs, back to BS" LOL. He is quite silly at times! I'll jump off this topic now, thanks Carly and mw for your responses, seems they have it under control. :girlyes:


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MAK 10:14 - P on W end of S side vent where I left her before. I'm thinking DC out of view since I don't see him here or DT


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MAK 11:21 - DC has been in.P in now and DC to W side.


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 Post subject: Re: ROCHESTER, NY ~ 2013 Part 2, April-May
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MAK - 11:54 DC went in ,echupping ensued then quiet then DC flew out going to SW corner. Still in

Beauty is currently on OCSR.

Just flew 11:59AM

12:00 B just landed at box.


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DC must be downtown now.

MAK - 12:02 DC gone from P
MAK - 12:04 Forgot to say I could see P heading DT now


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DC in box!!!

Was on phone didn't hear it....


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Someone landed on deck next to main cam 12:24. 1 or 2 chups, then flew.


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carly wrote:
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DC in box!!!


Saw him land on Cam 4..assumed it was him anyway.



Here's pic of him on cam 4

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Someone landed on deck next to main cam 12:24. 1 or 2 chups, then flew.



It was Beauty mw!


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Donna C wrote:
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Someone landed on deck next to main cam 12:24. 1 or 2 chups, then flew.



It was Beauty mw!


Thanks Donna!.. I only heard like 1 vocal, and wasn't sure. At first I thought DC and had written that, but then deleted it.

Yesterday, her voice sounded a little hoarse to me.


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I didn't hear their bonding session. Were they both chupping?


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Sorry, I had sound from both cams. It was just a brief session and I almost missed the whole thing. :girlcrazy:



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Sorry, I had sound from both cams. It was just a brief session and I almost missed the whole thing. :girlcrazy:


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both were in box. that is good.
I think you will see eggs here now.

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B arrives on deck 2:46

B heads to box 2:48


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2:49 - onto beam in front of box. She's looking out and up. Just flew off.


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2:50 - B back on deck, in front of box on beam. Looking up. Into box. Chupping.


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