BUFFALO, NY (UB) ~ 2016

Sally · **Posted:** Thu May 05, 2016 8:44 pm

Here is the capture of the shell and Dixie

Sally · **Posted:** Thu May 05, 2016 8:48 pm

carly wrote:

Yes 4 eggs confirmed, that's old shell. Don't know if eggs are viable at all. She's moved to porch again. I knew I spoke too soon unless she is realizing they aren't going to hatch? Cant' say at this point

Yes I saw the four eggs.

I think I have to call it a night. I will be checking first thing tomorrow and probably in the middle of the night too. I don't mean to sound dramatic but to me this has become a tragedy.

Good night Carly!

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64773

I'm back...at least for a few...great coverage, guys..

10:24: She's standing over the eggs. 2 eggs visible.

Carly, I agree..its really hard for me to tell if a bird is sick, at least on cam...but, the few times I've watched a sick bird, whether its been one with trich or something else, it was just so obvious..maybe because they were in the final stages of whatever they had...trich was obvious because of the difficulty swallowing and/or closing the mouth..but, the few other times...very poor feather condition, especially around the face, runny eyes/nose, lethargy/lying down alot, etc. So far, we have seen none of that with either Dixie or Yankee...(geeeez, is my cam frozen?)

So what else was going on? I wish we knew if that tower generated a substantial amount of heat..if so, I too fear for the eggs. If it is/was a heat issue, chances are those eggs could have dried out. I read somewhere that moisture balance is critical for chick development. But they've used this tower for how long? If I remember correctly, the box was removed during the renovation (or did I dream that)...so, what step, if any, did they leave out when putting it back?

Anyway, all speculation at this point until/unless somebody gets information about that tower and what actually was done to it during the renovation...hatch window is closing, even for the last egg (3/31) assuming its still one of the 4.

I've got my fingers crossed!!!

Ya know what? I think the cam is frozen..bummer..

Current temp:

51 F/11 C

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64773

Just for fun, I went and looked at the temps from the past few days..

4/29~pics of Dixie panting. High was 48 degrees
5/1~panting with a high of 55
5/2~panting with a high of 48
5/3~very fidgety/standing over eggs..high was 57
5/4~really panting/fidgety/standing, etc..hottest day so far: 63
5/5 (today)~practically normal..high was 61

go figure!!

11:07~cam unstuck and she is on the eggs..she had been resting her chin on the gravel, but currently slightly raised, eyes closed, absolutely no panting or mouth breathing...

11:10~looks like she has lowered her chin back to the gravel

....and I am going to bed...

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64773

(and here I thought I was going to bed...)

11:50 pm...she's up and standing in the door, preening...I can only see her body...eggs are behind her..
11:53 pm..back down on the eggs, relaxed, no panting or mouth breathing..

NOW I'm going to bed

bonbon · **Joined:** Thu May 21, 2015 8:04 pm **Posts:** 2210

approx. 6:50am
Correction:
Dixie was on the perch.
Yankee's tail is bobbing up and down - possible panting? Broken sunshine in on her. Maybe it is the heat that's causing the behavior? (A pic won't show the movement)

sky, your record of panting/temps is great. Maybe the heat is causing the problem?

bonbon · **Joined:** Thu May 21, 2015 8:04 pm **Posts:** 2210

6:55am
Can't see his head - but he appears to be bobbing... possible panting

bonbon · **Joined:** Thu May 21, 2015 8:04 pm **Posts:** 2210

carly wrote:

Unless they switched while I was in shower, it was Yankee on eggs with tail twitching and panting. Dixie was fine when she left at 5.39 this morning.

I believe that is still Yankee. Yes he is up and I see his bands he is panting heavily.

Thanks, Carly - I'll correct my post. :eggthumbup:

bonbon · **Joined:** Thu May 21, 2015 8:04 pm **Posts:** 2210

7:10am

bonbon · **Joined:** Thu May 21, 2015 8:04 pm **Posts:** 2210

7:20am
Poor thing looks miserable. Is there any chance that the eggs will be removed - so the pair can cease incubating?

bonbon · **Joined:** Thu May 21, 2015 8:04 pm **Posts:** 2210

7:21am
He just scrunched down on eggs and back up again:

Sally · **Posted:** Fri May 06, 2016 7:48 am

bonbon · **Joined:** Thu May 21, 2015 8:04 pm **Posts:** 2210

7:50am

Like he's trying to get comfortable:

Sally · **Posted:** Fri May 06, 2016 7:53 am

Boy he looks so miserable. I wish I could help him............

Sally · **Posted:** Fri May 06, 2016 7:55 am

carly wrote:

Sally wrote:

Boy he looks so miserable. I wish I could help him............

This is insane, they were fine yesterday. It's like it's a sauna in there, I've only seen them do this on really hot, humid days.

He looks so uncomfortable more so today.

bonbon · **Joined:** Thu May 21, 2015 8:04 pm **Posts:** 2210

carly wrote:

Sally wrote:

Boy he looks so miserable. I wish I could help him............

This is insane, they were fine yesterday. It's like it's a sauna in there, I've only seen them do this on really hot, humid days.

JUst checked weather - 49F there - not hot at all - but that's not wayyy up high with sun shining on the thermometer.
Poor thing - so sad...

Sally · **Posted:** Fri May 06, 2016 8:12 am

carly wrote:

Well he is behaving exactly like falcons do when they are overheated, we see this at nests when the sun is right in the box as it is now on really hot humid days. Humidity is 82% in the air there today so can imagine how hot it might be on a power plant. No cross-air ventilation in box perhaps?

There is a nice spring chill in the air this morning. I was out earlier checking my bird feeders........ But you are right it's probably very hot up there. His eyes look so bright and clear............

Sally · **Posted:** Fri May 06, 2016 8:21 am

carly wrote:

Sally wrote:

carly wrote:

Well he is behaving exactly like falcons do when they are overheated, we see this at nests when the sun is right in the box as it is now on really hot humid days. Humidity is 82% in the air there today so can imagine how hot it might be on a power plant. No cross-air ventilation in box perhaps?

There is a nice spring chill in the air this morning. I was out earlier checking my bird feeders........ But you are right it's probably very hot up there. His eyes look so bright and clear............

I agree Sally, other than the overheating behaviour - they both look fine on the outside. Clear eyes, no dilation of pupils, no runny eyes, feathers look good, preening observed, they are flying well, etc. If they are 'sick' then they are the healthiest looking sick birds I've ever seen - on the outside at least. Don't know what's going on inside them though.

Heat rises and the temperatures at that elevation can be upwards of 20 degrees higher than down at our level. Add to that the box is on a plant wall...who knows what it's like in there unless you stick a thermometer up there and monitored it. Plus the sun is right on the box now.

I have to get going for a bit but will be checking in today. I wish someone with authority there could get to the bottom of the problem and do something but like you mentioned above there is a lot to be considered if that were to happen.........

:egg15:

Beth · **Posted:** Fri May 06, 2016 8:28 am

Gosh darn ... so hard to watch them struggle.

So thankful you guys are posting what you see.

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64773

I've been watching for a while...

9:21~Yankee panting like crazy, almost flipping at times while re-positioning..

So sorry I won't be much help today...I'll be heading out soon and not back until this evening.

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