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 Post subject: Re: GREAT SPIRIT BLUFF~2020-2021
PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:11 am 
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Thank you for your faithfulness bev
The sole surviving baby is still alive

I've been focusing on kestrels, 5 young
never watched those before
milestone today!
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 Post subject: Re: GREAT SPIRIT BLUFF~2020-2021
PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:17 pm 
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just went back and watched last feed and baby go t quite a few bites. small but going in. Zooey needs to just put a big glob in but she is tryin g to place perfectly. still praying hard here. :15heartbeat:

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 Post subject: Re: GREAT SPIRIT BLUFF~2020-2021
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you have to really watch because a lot falls out bu t chick is getting enough each time. I am waiting fo r tim e it is si stuffed

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they are wrong on their forum. this little one is last to hatch. I watched, sad as it was.


trying to got get approved. there . I was a member but lost my password

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I watched about 3 feeds today. this was the best one. she is slow an d meticulous. .She is too neat. She just needs to let baby grab now. You got to love her. We had one just like this at MIscercordia a few years back. We thought we would have to get Gord to take one chick out a few times, but th e male would come in and top off. She was slow and I would almost fall asleep watching her. :7val:

still praying , the goo d Lord watches over this nest.

here is video of feed a bit over an hour ago

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I have watched almost all feeds. some better than others. she needs to start giving more meaty, bigger pieces and let chick try and get them. but I do love her and she is gentle

She makes me laugh. little one will never be able to go anywhere LOl

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 Post subject: Re: GREAT SPIRIT BLUFF~2020-2021
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I will post pictures this evening.

chick nice crop and a nic e mom and chick moment.
I jsu t do not have tim e to post pictures during week

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There is a tsunami of pics on Explaore
https://www.explore.org/livecams/birds/ ... falcon-cam

I think your prayers saved this lil one bev

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I sure hope so.

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UPDATE
What's going on at Great Spirit Bluff?
Why isn't Zooey feeding her young?
Why doesn't Newman taken over?
And what's up with Zooey's shuffling?

We turned to Board member and Gyrfalcon breeder Jim Robison to help answer your questions. Although it isn't true in every case, first time falcon mothers are more likely to be reticent about feeding, to fumble food, to eat dropped food, and/or to feed inappropriately-sized bites to their hungry young. Zooey stashed and prepared food and chupped at her young, but she didn't seem to understand how or when to feed them. We saw her tearing off chunks that the hatchlings couldn't swallow, picking up and eating dropped food, and offering food instead of stuffing gaping beaks. Zooey appeared to want to feed her hatchlings, but she had no knowledge or experience to guide her.

So why didn't Newman help?
Peregrine hatchlings need almost constant brooding until their thermal down begins to emerge on day eight. During the first eight to ten days of nest life, mothers do nearly all of the brooding and feeding, while fathers provision their young and mates. Since Zooey was brooding, chupping, and trying to feed her young, Newman didn't know or understand that his young weren't getting fed. Falcons are largely guided by hormones and instinct. They can learn, but they don't tend to innovate.

What's up with Zooey's shuffling?
Jim told us that this was a very normal behavior for first time parents. They have no experience to inform or cope with their instinct to roll eggs and shuffle young until they've gone through their first season. Although the afternoon shade, large rock, and backless box are all helping to keep the nest cooler than it would be otherwise, I have to wonder if the oppressive heat is adding to Zooey's stress. Zooey's hormones are telling her that she has to brood, while her brood patch and heat response are telling her that it is very hot. She might respond to the conflict by rolling and shuffling instead of getting off her little hatchling or staying still through the long, hot day. She is a brand new, first time Mom, she has a lot to learn, and she is doing the best she can.

We use Tom Cade's 'Guide to Management of Peregrine Falcons at the Eyrie' to age nestling falcons and help make nest management decisions. It states that 'At eight days, the second down begins to emerge in the spinal tract along the backbone'. As the second down emerges and Zooey's nesting hormones ebb, we should see her shuffling and rolling begin to decrease. We don't have long to wait!

While some of you have described Zooey as obsessive or paranoid, her dedication bodes well for future broods. We have our fingers crossed for this nest (and for cooler, less stressful weather) and look forward to banding on June 19! We are keeping a close eye out for problems with blackflies and hippoboscids - especially given the heat! - and will respond if we think it is necessary.

Posted by Nora, RRP
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Its 90 degrees F and higher in Minnesota
Gnats are horrible

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I saw her post over there. thanks Shep.

I guess I was not worried as I have seen this before but it is good info for those who do not know.

but I think it should be noted that in a lot of cases, some males have a more hands on approach. Like little dad at Harrisburg, he taught Niecey. We had our super dad at U of A that taught Radisson and D01 that taught Greengirl , by example. And at deMortel pa taught S2, in turn VV taught her young male. The list goes on. Tthis does make it a bad male , just different . If one of these males had been at GSB , the outcome would have been different. But this is nature and she is learning and loving her little one and is gentle and will make a great mom.

I do like her. :7val:

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yes, I watched a feed, I watch most of them. and she is letting youngster grab food and youngster is eager to feed. this is a milestone here. :clapegg:

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Zoeey kept baby so protected during a bad storm last night. And a great feed this morning. could probably use a bit more but she is grabbing. :eggthumb: :7val: :7val:
postimage is not taking my pictures right t now I will try again later

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yesterday. look at crop
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Baby had a huge crop after last feed . Warms my heart.

Will try and post picture of huge crop

not a good shot of it, but it is huge
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I will post a s much as I can here for me. I find it a bit too bad that on raptor resource, they post little. , it would be nice if they watched baby. I did apply to join so I could post, but never got accepted. I was a member but cannot find my password

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CHANCE
June 12 from RRP explore
Chance had a serious hippoboscid infestation.
These flies take a blood meal by biting into flesh and lapping up the blood that wells into the wound.

We began to suspect we had an infestation when *Chance's wingpits turned black (hippoboscid excrement and dried blood, gross) and it kept falling over. We treated the infestation, knock on wood and cross your talons.

Chance was extremely stressed and sick, but today's behavior and improved health gives us hope.

*Not chick's official name - yet ...
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People were saying chick was sick

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where is this form Shep. this chick is not sick, and has been doing really well . I am confused.

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bev. wrote:
where is this form Shep. this chick is not sick, and has been doing really well . I am confused.

I go look at pics and comments on Explore.
RRP posted that at the top in response to posts there

I am somewhere puzzled by their post too .. but ....
thot I'd stick it here - for the record

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thanks Shep. I do not kno w when they did that as I go back frame by frame to review what is happening.

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