TOPEKA 2011~Nemaha (F), Boreas (M)

catwoman · **Posted:** Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:03 pm

Hey, that makes sense, Kitten! Another one of "our" babes? :loveshow:

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64761

I like that!!! I'm gonna go and see if I can find a band with a B on it to compare!!!

kittenface · **Posted:** Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:36 pm

I know i'm nuts that is a R no matter how long I look at it but I can dream

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64761

That's ok...I've been trying to turn it into an A...

BTW...here's a picture of a B...not a very good one..and not on a falcon..

kittenface · **Posted:** Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:14 pm

I'll tell you i'm am getting obsesed now look what I'm doing now :lol:

I'm trying everything to make this one of our guys

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64761

Tell me about it!!! I've been writing out the alphabet and trying to turn the R into different letters...then I started obsessing over why R/03 is missing from the sequence...there's 00, 01, 02, 04, 05, 06, (all with a band date of 5/24/07) either at Woodman or Lincoln.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...now this is interesting...in 2007 Woodmen had 4 chicks...3 female and 1 male...but on the banding report, there are only 3 listed, 00, 01, 02 (all females). I can't find where the male, Skyler, was banded (unless he was banded on a different date) Edit: I just found his band number, B/61

Lincoln banded 4 in 2007 but only 3 are listed on the data base. I wonder why #4 was left off. The other possibility is that since R's were all used for girls, that he was banded as a she.

OK..gotta change my approach and move out of Nebraska..I'm starting to think it might be a B.

kittenface · **Posted:** Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:37 am

Well I broke down and emailed Nebraska again HE (Joel)DID SAY if he can help let him know
sooooo I DID :lol:

(what I wrote)
I am very sorry for bothering you again and so soon,l but you said if there was anything else you could help with,

we have another new falcon at Topeka and we think he might be from Nebraska also the band is not listed anywhere

Lincoln banded 4 in 2007 but only 3 are listed on the data base.
We have R/03 Black/Green

Thank you for any information you can give us about this falcon. I really do hope its another one of your there

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64761

thanks KF, I was thinking of doing the same...well, I'm glad to see I'm not alone in obsessing about this thing...I think what we'll find out is that the male will have a B in his band ID...hope I'm wrong....I do wonder why there is not an R/03 listed anywhere (except for the canadian black R/03. My goal today is to not obsess about it.

I did look at Donna's Ohio Data base. Zeus was last observed in 2008 nesting on a bridge in Lorain, Ohio.

catwoman · **Posted:** Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:18 am

I have come up with a theory, but I'm not sure about it. Maybe you can help me dismiss the notion or confirm it. It seems like peregrines seem to stay in an area near the migration path where they were hatched. Do you know of any instances where a midwest-hatched peregrine ended up on or near the East Coast? Or an East Coast-area peregrine that ended up in the midwest? There are probably some obvious ones that will embarrass me when pointed out, but please do it anyway. If this theory is correct, this "new" peregrine at Topeka would most likely be a midwest-hatched bird.

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64761

Not a bad theory (I think I mentioned that above)...but I took it a step further last night...what if its not a midwest bird...what if its a West coast bird. They are not listed in the database. But, then that contradicts band numbers...I would think that would be highly unlikely but at this point it could be anything. maybe it was banded as a female, but really is a male...but then, R/03 is missing from the R sequence. If you look at the data base, its one of the few R numbers that is missing...I don't know.

I posted the info on the Manitoba forum as well since 97/H is the granddaughter of Trey and Princess (I think)..TPC is looking into it as well..

From this morning:

Female

Male visit

Since he has no speckles on his breast, I'm guessing he's an older bird...

I'm thinking of sending some pics to Donna..

kittenface · **Posted:** Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:00 pm

Well I wish it was a weekday i'm going to have to wait til tomorrow or later to hear back from Joel
Topeka to Columbus is 721 miles apart to drive almost 12 hours

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64761

kittenface wrote:

Well I wish it was a weekday i'm going to have to wait til tomorrow or later to hear back from Joel
Topeka to Columbus is 721 miles apart to drive almost 12 hours

I emailed him too...he's really gonna love us, KF...I don't think its his bird, though...sure hope I'm wrong...I'm still trying to make it a B, Zeus...Victory and Orville were his parents..

catwoman · **Posted:** Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:39 pm

From what I've seen, incorrect banding isn't terribly unusual. I've known at least 2 years where they weren't sure about one of the Harrisburg chicks' sex. In those cases, they put female bands (which are larger than male bands) on them just so they didn't end up with bands hurting the chicks' legs.

obxbarb · **Posted:** Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:02 pm

You guys are amazing for doing all of this work on the mystery falcon. I'm sure the biologists will appreciate it!!

kittenface · **Posted:** Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:33 pm

REPLY BACK FROM JOEL AT NEBRASKA
Mary Anne and Jannice:
AWESOME!

Yes, you both have contacted me about your “other” Peregrine. R/03 is indeed another one of ours and his name is “Boreas”. We actually placed female bands on this bird. It can be challenging to sex some chicks and we erred on the side of caution by placing the larger bands on him. Luckily the name works for a male or a female. I have pasted the 2007 press release below and also inserted a photo from the banding. Boreas is one of the birds on the far left . Perhaps he was the big one and that may be why we thought he was a female. Not sure why this band was left out of the database, particularly because the others are included which indicates they were submitted.

This is all very cool and thanks for the updates. Please continue to pass along any information or ask any questions that you may have. Thanks for keeping me updated.

Peregrine Falcon “name the chicks” winner announced

Lincoln, Ne. – Boreas, Notus, , Eurus and Zephyrus are the winning entries of the 2007 Name the Chick contest for four Peregrine Falcon chicks hatched in a nest box outside the 18th floor of the Nebraska State Capitol Building in May.

Bess Ghormley, a transcriber for the Nebraska Legislature, won the contest by suggesting the chicks be named after the four wind gods from Greek mythology that are ascribed to the cardinal directions North, South, East, and West.

Peregrine females R/03, R/04, and R/05 were given the names Boreas, Notus, and Eurus, respectively. Male falcon R/06 was given the name Zephyrus. The names were chosen from about 200 contest entries submitted from people across the U.S. and Canada.

The young Peregrines began to fly around the 10th of June and are still being fed by their parents. The public can watch the chicks for a few more weeks at the Nebraska Game and Parks Commission's popular FalconCam, a video camera mounted at the top of the State Capitol. The webcam provides direct pictures to a television in the capitol rotunda and to the Commission's Web site at http://www.OutdoorNebraska.org.

This is the third successful breeding season for the pair of Peregrines using the Capitol nest box. Two years ago one chick, "Pioneer," hatched. Last year the pair raised three chicks, “Willa”, “Bess”, and “Sterling” that were named after Nebraska writers Willa Cather and Bess Streeter Aldrich, and J. Sterling Morton, a Nebraska politician and co-founder of Arbor Day.

The public is invited to attend “Lunch with the Peregrines” on the front lawn of the Capitol Building, 11 a.m. - 1 p.m, June 26. Spotting scopes and binoculars will be available so participants can view the peregrines, and biologists will be on hand to discuss the reintroduction of peregrine falcons in Nebraska, and their successful recovery from endangered status.

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64761

Dang....I need to start checking my emails...I had no clue he would answer us back today!!!! I sent him all my pics...I think I had stated earlier that he had been banded as a she...Now..if only Topeka would email us back we could tell them who they have!!!

catwoman · **Posted:** Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:35 pm

Great--mystery solved! :shamrock5:

kittenface · **Posted:** Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:42 pm

I didn't think I'd hear from him til a working day this is really nice to have someone that is so interested in his falcons

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64761

IT just now dawned on me...they are brother and sister~one year removed...

kittenface · **Posted:** Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:18 am

OK so we now have

Nemaha
Black/Red 97/H 2009 State Capitol, Lincoln Nebraska

Boreas
Black/Green R/03 2007 State Capitol, Lincoln Nebraska

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