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 Post subject: Re: HARRISBURG ~ NOVEMBER-DECEMBER, 2011
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:22 pm 
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Something occurred to me & I'm just going to throw it out there & see if people think I'm totally out to lunch. It hasn't sat right with me that the smaller falcon that Jane & Sue saw was actually Lil Dad. While I wouldn't want to see him get hurt, & also wouldn't want Jane & Sue to have to witness a fight involving Lil Dad, I would find it surprising for Lil Dad to let another tiercel chase him out of his territory without putting up a fight. Were some of Lil Dad's sons also smaller in stature than most tiercels? Could that have been LO, Red Boy or White Boy coming home to visit? Although we've been told that falcons don't return to the nest where they were hatched & raised, we know of 2 instances where not only did they return to the nest, but the males took over the territories that formerly belonged to their fathers. I'm sure you all know that one of the males I'm referring to is CJ in Wilmington. The other is JJ at James River Bridge in Virginia.

Although NB is bigger than Lil Dad, Lil Dad has kept his territory for a number of years & must have had to defend his territory at times. Also, he would be very passionate about defending his territory, where NB can probably "take it or leave it"!

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 Post subject: Re: HARRISBURG ~ NOVEMBER-DECEMBER, 2011
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I have wanted to think that Lil' Dad is still on vacation and that NG is trying to bond with the new falcon because she doesn't know that Lil' dad is coming back and she would want to have a mate in time. But Reenie saw Lil' Dad for sure right before the new falcon was seen, so he had come back from his vacation. The smaller one Jane and Sue saw in the fight could have been a previous Harrisburg juvie or any other falcon, or Lil' Dad. I would think that Lil' Dad would put up quite a fight, but I'm not sure if the male would fight to the death or just move on if they saw that their chances didn't look good. I can't think of a situation where the male went missing from a nest where they lost a battle only to be discovered at another nest later. Wait a minute, there was that nest at that residential complex in Canada where I think the original male was beat up by Jack and he showed up later somewhere didn't he? I can't remember how that went now. I worry about NG bonding with this other male not because I think she is two-timing, but because she may know something is wrong with Lil' Dad.


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 Post subject: Re: HARRISBURG ~ NOVEMBER-DECEMBER, 2011
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There are really too many ramifications for my brain to surround. I guess that's why it is so fascinating to watch these tales unfold, there may be a surprise right around the corner.


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 Post subject: Re: HARRISBURG ~ NOVEMBER-DECEMBER, 2011
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Very true, Normangelo!

Ljames, yes, Milton did lose his territory to Jack & last year was reported to be at another site with a new territory. I also don't know if tiercels normally fight to the death. That is hopefully only falcons. (Not that I like to see falcons fight to the death, but its better than having both falcons & tiercels fight to the death.) A couple of years ago when Lil Dad migrated, he came back for a couple of short periods before he actually came back for nesting season, so even though Reenie saw him not too long ago, he still may have left before this NB showed up.

Another possibility is that this NB is from a nesting territory near here & maybe he has lost his mate? :holcrazy: We do know there are at least a couple of nesting territories near here--at the I-81 bridge and at TMI. But then, it doesn't seem to me that he's showing a lot of interest in NG. He seems more interested in the ledge...these birds are going to drive us to drink!
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OMG, THE FRONT OF OUR BLDG IS LIKE A NIGHTMARE! CROWS ARE LINED ACROSS THE TOP OF OUR OUR ENTIRE BLDG. THEY ARE ON THE COLUMN LEDGES AND EVEN ON THE FALCON LEDGE AND GLASS ENCLOSURE UP THERE. IF YOU STAND OUT FRONT, YOU CAN HEAR THE PLOPPING OF THEIR POOP, CONSTANTLY! THIS IS CRAZY, SOMEONE HAS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS! ONCE THE SUN COMES UP, THEY WILL BE GONE, BUT USUALLY NG COMES TO THE LEDGE BEFORE THAT. I GUESS SHE WON'T WITH ALL THEM UP THERE.

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OK, THE BIRDS ON OUR BLDG I BELIEVE ARE BLACK BIRDS, NOT CROWS! CROWS ARE ACROSS THE STREET STILL IN THE TREES. JUST WATCHED SOMETHING SPECTACULAR! NG CAME IN AND FLEW BACK AND FORTH ATTACKING THEM AND CLEARED THE WHOLE TOP OF OUR BLDG AND THE UNIVERSITY! SHE ACTUALLY HIT ONE TO THE GROUND AND IT CAME DOWN TO THE SIDEWALK OUT FRONT. SHE DID A WONDERFUL JOB! THE ONE THAT FELL TO THE GROUND EVENTUALLY FLEW AWAY.

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NG IS ON THE POINT NOW. I GUESS WATCHING FOR NB TO SHOW UP :-(

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So sorry to hear NB male is back. As others have said, you can't blame him; he doesn't know this ledge is taken. It is so hard to wait for Lil Dad's return.

Reenie, could those birds that hang in large groups be Starlings? We get them in droves this time of year.


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 Post subject: Re: HARRISBURG ~ NOVEMBER-DECEMBER, 2011
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Disgusting about all the Crows. In years past they fired off blanks or something over around the Capitol to scare them out of the area. I guess there's no money for "Crow Control" in the state budget this year. When I was down there last Thursday, the sidewalk by the bus stops across from the Carson Building was white with poop. Kudos to NG for clearing them out, but they'll probably be back tonight. :-(


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LOOKS LIKE NG ON THE SHIELD RIGHT NOW.

I THINK THE CAPITAL STILL DOES CROW CONTROL. THE GUARD TOLD ME THERE AREN'T ANY OVER THERE LIKE BEFORE, THEY ARE ALL OVER HERE NOW!! CAN'T SCARE THEM AWAY TOO FAR I GUESS :-(

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All last winter I walked under a "crow tree" on my way in each morning, and it is pretty gross. They aren't there this year, so I guess you have them, Reenie!

It does seems strange that NB is back at the ledge--why is he here if he is not interested in NG? Perhaps it is a stopover on his way back home --he stopped here on his travels outbound, and now he may be stopping over again on his way back inbound to his own home territory.

Nobody would ever believe it if we tried to tell them how interesting life gets, watching what goes on up there on that ledge!

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NG IS IN THE SCRAPE AND NB MALE ON STICK RIGHT NOW!

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REENIE wrote:
NG IS IN THE SCRAPE AND NB MALE ON STICK RIGHT NOW!


Maybe she is telling NB not to get any ideas and that this is her scrape! :smilehat:

About all the crows across the street, they do tend to favor certain territories that they return to at this time of year. I can tell you that some other places I know about where they tend to roost have just started their "crow relocation" efforts for the season, so maybe someone will be doing something about scaring them away too.

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Boy that point is covered in feathers. Looks like a couple of different leftovers. Wonder if NB is bringing gifts to NG. I see the camera has changed.

Thanks for that info on Milton. I always felt so sorry for him but he has moved on with a new mate and producing young peregrines. :snowflake8:

Yes I like the idea that Lil' Dad left again and will return to his ledge to defeat the intruder and win his NG's heart again.
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hmm i was wondering if NB may be an offspring of yellow boy who has taken up residence in reading pa? its not that far away as the falcon flies

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SOMEONE'S ON THE STICK, THESE VIEWS ARE HARD TO SEE. I THINK IT'S NB OR COULD BE NG, THANKS ANCA!

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Whenever I see the point view from the cam, I think of Reenie standing on the roof of the parking garage across the street to get her picture taken with Lil Dad! :flirty:

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