CATHEDRAL OF LEARNING ~ 2017

Shepherd · **Joined:** Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:10 pm **Posts:** 5691

mwplay, I saw Hope call Terzo-
he came in - but she wouldnt get up - as you said.
I thot it odd.

It looked as if the Gulf tower falcon nibbled the shell to help chick hatch.
I thot it odd. Glad you mentioned that.

Last year Hope was stressed.
Remember, her mate died - she snagged Terzo.
Didnt she have 3 eggs by Erie - and one by Terzo?

We do strange things when stressed

:dancegirl:

mwplay · **Joined:** Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:15 am **Posts:** 10249

Shepherd wrote:

mwplay, I saw Hope call Terzo-
he came in - but she wouldnt get up - as you said.
I thot it odd.

It looked as if the Gulf tower falcon nibbled the shell to help chick hatch.
I thot it odd. Glad you mentioned that.

Last year Hope was stressed.
Remember, her mate died - she snagged Terzo.
Didnt she have 3 eggs by Erie - and one by Terzo?

We do strange things when stressed

:dancegirl:

Hi Shepard. I think the vocalizing back and forth was her talking to Terzo. He came in to relieve, but since hatch is so close, maybe it was to say, "get us some food - times close".

As for the stress, yes - I agree. I think that she appears much calmer to me this year. And last year, if I remember correctly, on one egg, she literally ripped the egg shell open once it pipped, not just nibbling on the shell. I know that they often eat the shell after hatch, or once the shell is opened completely, they may move one of the halves off & eat to replenish calcium. The concern is if they prematurely pull the chick out of the egg, there may be the possibility of open blood vessels which can cause the chick to bleed out. I know there are some on the board who have information regarding this because it happened at another site several years ago. Prior to that post, I did not know it would be an issue.

PS.. Just noticed, I think Terzo is on eggs now - 3:00pm ET.

Shepherd · **Joined:** Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:10 pm **Posts:** 5691

Yeah aint he a cutie :15heartbeat:

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 61947

I think I hear a chick...hard to separate from the other noises..

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 61947

mwplay wrote:

Shepherd wrote:

mwplay, I saw Hope call Terzo-
he came in - but she wouldnt get up - as you said.
I thot it odd.

It looked as if the Gulf tower falcon nibbled the shell to help chick hatch.
I thot it odd. Glad you mentioned that.

Last year Hope was stressed.
Remember, her mate died - she snagged Terzo.
Didnt she have 3 eggs by Erie - and one by Terzo?

We do strange things when stressed

:dancegirl:

Hi Shepard. I think the vocalizing back and forth was her talking to Terzo. He came in to relieve, but since hatch is so close, maybe it was to say, "get us some food - times close".

As for the stress, yes - I agree. I think that she appears much calmer to me this year. And last year, if I remember correctly, on one egg, she literally ripped the egg shell open once it pipped, not just nibbling on the shell. I know that they often eat the shell after hatch, or once the shell is opened completely, they may move one of the halves off & eat to replenish calcium. The concern is if they prematurely pull the chick out of the egg, there may be the possibility of open blood vessels which can cause the chick to bleed out. I know there are some on the board who have information regarding this because it happened at another site several years ago. Prior to that post, I did not know it would be an issue.

PS.. Just noticed, I think Terzo is on eggs now - 3:00pm ET.

This happened one year at Richmond. I have a pic somewhere of Harriet picking the shell up with the chick still attached to the yolk sac until it separated and dropped out of the shell.

mwplay · **Joined:** Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:15 am **Posts:** 10249

skygirlblue wrote:

I think I hear a chick...hard to separate from the other noises..

Shepherd · **Joined:** Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:10 pm **Posts:** 5691

This is April, right - not October 31 ?

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 61947

Not the best pics, but there could be 2 pipped eggs...or maybe just marks on one of the eggs...hard to tell..

mwplay · **Joined:** Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:15 am **Posts:** 10249

5pm - Exchange - Hope back, Terzo out.

Looks like 2 pips

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 61947

Thanks mwplay....and I'm pretty sure I heard 2 chicks..

bev. · **Posted:** Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:31 pm

goo d

picutres

I am here. but on way out to doctors ,but my recorder is on.

would not desert my HOpe :15heartbeat:

mwplay · **Joined:** Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:15 am **Posts:** 10249

I'm sorry to report she's picking at the eggs again. Picked one up and carried it. She stopped and just put egg back under her.

It's got a pretty big crack in it, so shouldn't be much longer. It's almost like she's getting excited and wants to help it out.

Shepherd · **Joined:** Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:10 pm **Posts:** 5691

Yeah, I saw her pick it up and carry it around

:nervous:

mwplay · **Joined:** Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:15 am **Posts:** 10249

And again she just picked up an egg...

The way she keeps picking it up and putting it back, it's like she knows she should not be doing this, but is excited/impatient to get the chick out.

Maybe she thinks she's helping it. This last time, it seemed like she was about to mantle the egg, but ended up putting it back under her.

Shepherd · **Joined:** Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:10 pm **Posts:** 5691

yeah - as if its food

Dori at Gulf - Hope's neighbor - tried to help her chick out of its egg but no worky

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 61947

Hopefully its ok and Hope will settle down..

If you watched Wilmington with Red Girl's first clutch (and maybe the second, too)..this is basically what she did. The major difference is RG's first hatch was almost out of the shell, but when she picked the chick up, the shell fell off. Then RG completely removed it from the bowl, ignored it, and returned to incubating the remaining eggs.

mwplay · **Joined:** Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:15 am **Posts:** 10249

Thanks SGB. I really feel sorry for her because I don't think she means to hurt her offspring - not in this situation. I really think she's trying to help it.

6:31 - She seems to have calmed down now.

I have to get final preparations done for my last class of the year tonight. Trying to get goody bags together for the kids. I'll be in and out of cam view for the next hour, then offline for bit.

I'm really hoping we have a good outcome here.

mwplay · **Joined:** Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:15 am **Posts:** 10249

Hatch....

And I can't tell what she's doing.

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 61947

I don't think she's trying to hurt it either, I just don't think she understands the process..

half the shell is off and it appears she is trying to get the other half of the shell off the chick

mwplay · **Joined:** Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:15 am **Posts:** 10249

Sorry to say, I think a repeat of last year.

What we are hearing is the remaining eggs.

She is consuming it now.

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